tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1663941132319374651.post3720060024849373383..comments2023-06-04T03:58:02.763-04:00Comments on He Said/She Said: He Said: Reverencing Pioneers: I Don't RelateBored in Vernalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16930954374449121797noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1663941132319374651.post-71426818932726051212009-08-23T07:20:28.084-04:002009-08-23T07:20:28.084-04:00I did like the point about not undermining the pro...I did like the point about not undermining the prosaicsGenevievenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1663941132319374651.post-30525470286951489912009-07-30T15:16:16.561-04:002009-07-30T15:16:16.561-04:00I like the saying that we can all be pioneers, esp...I like the saying that we can all be pioneers, especially converts who are the first people in their family to join. So in that sense, both Dr. B and BiV are pioneers. <br /><br />And yes, I'm using the definition of "pioneer" to mean "first" or "among the first or the early ones", not in terms of "crossing the plains" and suffering hardship.<br /><br />I was the first person in my family to join too.<br /><br />You might be the first LDS in your city (or first in a long time).<br /><br />You might be the first LDS in your neighborhood, or street.<br /><br />You _are_ the first (and maybe only) LDS that many many people will ever meet.<br /><br />Dr. B was likely the first LDS librarian to work in Saudi Arabia. BiV was the fist LDS woman to have contact with those girls in that sports program over there.<br /><br />I was the 3rd LDS missionary to serve in a new area in Ecuador.<br /><br />We can all find our adventures in being the first or an early participant in something related to the gospel.Bookslingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15077778974473538408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1663941132319374651.post-55423817290899680132009-07-25T14:08:44.092-04:002009-07-25T14:08:44.092-04:00I'm not surprised at your inability to relate ...I'm not surprised at your inability to relate to the early members of the Church. How can you relate to a people in which you share almost nothing in common?Brent Hartmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1663941132319374651.post-63026136969012691032009-07-25T14:03:58.007-04:002009-07-25T14:03:58.007-04:00Wonderful post. Thanks for sharing.
The Church and...Wonderful post. Thanks for sharing.<br />The Church and the membership do seem to strip out the bad from the history. There is also a bit of speaking from both sides of the mouth when it comes to the past too.<br /><br />"Look at how we were persecuted by everybody for our beliefs, and do not forget the murder of our Prophet Smith 150 years ago. There shall be atonement."<br /><br />"Look, the Mountain Meadows Massacre was a long time ago, why do you people live in the past? Please drop the whole blacks and the mark of Cain thing, too. That is so 30 years ago, thank you very much."<br /><br />Oh, and the family history books that are ripe with revisionist righteousness and glory. Give me the full picture, warts and all please! Thank you for acknowledging the less shiny bits of your own family history. It is refreshing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1663941132319374651.post-49994272170286671022009-07-25T08:50:53.944-04:002009-07-25T08:50:53.944-04:00If you do not know nor care to know the history of...If you do not know nor care to know the history of something you are involved with, how can you know the truth of it. It works that way with anything. I don't have any ancestors that were involved in the Revolutionary War. But I cherish what those people did and humbly thank them for their involvement with the reward that I am reaping today. If you have no importance for the Pioneers, you need to do some vast soul searching about a few things. They were important then and they will always still be important to the Church. Too bad you don't care about them.RoeHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00131723337404316867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1663941132319374651.post-29981788693418350722009-07-25T02:42:09.429-04:002009-07-25T02:42:09.429-04:00My family talks about our history. I always loved...My family talks about our history. I always loved hearing stories about my parents when they were kids, or when they were dating or before I was born. When we get together we talk about our family. We have a family identity. We are unique. We honor our grandparents for their good qualities.<br />My husband does not have this family identity or family history. His family does not gather. His family does not mention the past. His family members do not care about each other.<br />As a Mormon I have felt that the pioneer stories were the history for all of us, not just the descendents. I belong to the church so church history is my history. While I'm sure a few people think it elevates them to have certain ancestores, I tend to think that whether we are related or not, I want to hear the stories and remember the sacrifice of those who went before us (similar to honoring the sacrifices of those who have given their lives or fought for our country).<br />I wonder about my children. Will they have a sense of family? Will they see their father's example that family isn't important? Will they follow my example that family is important?<br />I tell my kids about their own history. When you were a baby......... Perhaps they will be willing to come home to visit me when I'm old. Perhaps I'll they'll want to see their parents and brothers and sisters. Perhaps they will want their kids to know their cousins. Perhaps they will think that belonging to this family really means something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1663941132319374651.post-43688561724721234522009-07-24T23:57:11.899-04:002009-07-24T23:57:11.899-04:00Very negative post, Dr B and a bit repetitive. My...Very negative post, Dr B and a bit repetitive. My daughter, who is serving a mission at Temple Square, asked my husband and me to write out our conversion stories for her. She says that it helps to bridge to a gospel discussion to be able to say "Oh, you are from Ohio? Ohio is very special to me because that is where my mom first learned about the gospel." So our stories are important. I hope you and BIV have written your conversion stories for your children. I bet they are really interesting!Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00819631039912283150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1663941132319374651.post-45240368859491670842009-07-24T19:17:12.585-04:002009-07-24T19:17:12.585-04:00Gosh,
I'm a convert to. Actually I converted ...Gosh,<br />I'm a convert to. Actually I converted to LDS and after 30+ years, I converted to fundamentalism. At any rate, I am very grateful for those individuals who risked, and sometimes lost, all to keep the Church alive.<br />I admire and revere the faith it takes to build a handcart, take out walking across a wilderness, bury a child or two along the way, etc. If anything, I think we should study the pioneers and their sacrifices more. We owe it to them IMHO.Bruce in Montanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08480425208723630243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1663941132319374651.post-60038238130716932742009-07-24T16:59:01.980-04:002009-07-24T16:59:01.980-04:00"My heritage is really the antithesis of the ..."My heritage is really the antithesis of the Mormon experience."<br /><br />Is this really true? You are a convert to the church, for heaven sakes. What is more Mormon than that? Breaking free from a powerful, venerable, mammothly-rooted organizing force like Catholicism in order to join a small, fragile, persecuted, American-born sect is not a small feat. It does not put you outside the mainstream of Mormonism. It puts you into the heart of what all Mormon converts face. This is true whether you adhered to the traditional religion before converting or not. There is something respectable about being Catholic that being Mormon does not yet quite share. Yet.Buddyhttp://www.politico.comnoreply@blogger.com